Ep. 240 Remote first with Alex Hernandez


In this week’s episode, Anna speaks to Alex Hernandez in the latest in her interview series.

Alex Hernandez quit his job, moved to Spain, and started a business with someone he had never met before at the start of a global pandemic. Today, he is the co-founder of Jobgether, the first platform for remote-first companies.

You can connect with Alex on his website and LinkedIn.


*Resources mentioned during the episode*

The Outsiders Business Academy – A self-paced course for you to work through in your own time, to learn – and implement – the foundations of building a profitable business that lets you escape the 9 to 5. onestepoutside.com/course

Remote First

Anna Lundberg  

Okay, hello, everybody and welcome to this month’s interview. And I’m really happy to say that I’m here with Alex Hernandez. Alex is coming to us from I think sunny Spain. I’m also in sunny England, so can’t complain. But Alex, why don’t you introduce yourself and tell us what were you doing before? And what are you doing now?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Hello, Anna. First of all, thanks for inviting me. Yes, quickly to introduce myself. So I’m French. I’m 36. I live in Madrid now, where it’s super sunny and super cold. And after my studies in France, and Spain actually moved to London, without any plans whatsoever, and I ended up working in recruitment, traditional headhunting company. For Yeah, we stayed out most, most 10 years, and moved to Paris for a year and a half. Until there, I just had enough and quit my job without any plans. But I’ll tell you later. Now, I am a co founder of a startup called job giver, and we help people around the world to find a remote job. Okay.


Anna Lundberg  

And you said twice there in your career, you’ve you’ve made a big decision without any plans. So if you go back to the beginning, I suppose what did you study? And what were your thoughts at the beginning of your career and moving to London? Is that kind of just how you live your life? You don’t have a plan? You see how things go? Or how?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, I think actually, probably the first time when I was 18. One day, I told my mom, I’m gonna go to Barcelona tomorrow, without any anything, any flats, any job, and I ended up there for months working as a waiter in a very cool restaurant. But I guess I’m just like this, you know, I don’t want to overthink or have a plan, you know, things. Just just go and see what happens. And I guess, you know, when you when you try your luck, you end up lucky. And in London. Yeah, we saw I was already with my wife today. She’s Spanish. And we were really bad at English. So we thought, let’s go to an English speaking country to learn English. And she got a job in London. So that okay, good London. And I moved there. My English was terrible. And, yeah, was this like, you know, waiter jobs for Porsche month and ended up working in a recruitment company, started at the bottom are very low income. I don’t actually know how I was living in London with such a bad salary at a time. But, but yeah, and, you know, move, move, you know, anger promotion. And, yeah, I ended up being a manager having like, 40 people team, and they sent me to Paris to become the country manager of the French office. So yeah, that’s, that’s why I did you know, move there without any plans and try my luck.


Anna Lundberg  

But that sounds very successful in terms of traditional success, you start with the bottom, worked your way up, manager, you know, country, moving countries and so on. So you said you suddenly felt that you’d had enough talk us through that? What changed over those 10 years, I suppose.


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I really had 10 good years with this company. But it was actually we went on a trip to Costa Rica in December 2019. And I don’t know if you’ve been there, but you know, they have a very different mindset, what they call Pura Vida, just lived a life, which was enjoy life and, and, you know, going back to Paris, I didn’t like Paris. And we just talked with my wife, I was like, you know, why are we in a city that we don’t really like? Why are we in a job that we don’t really like anymore? And let’s quit. So the only plan that we had is okay, let’s move to Madrid. Let’s buy a house. And let’s see. But what we didn’t know is when we quit week later, COVID hit Europe, I mean, in the world, and we ended up in lockdown, without any anything. You know, I didn’t even you know, update my CV like nothing. And when everyone was telling me, okay, you’re in trouble enough to quit a job, you have no employment benefits, and just find a permanent job ASAP. And instead of that I actually met or II met someone through zoom through like a recommendation of someone. So I met a guy called one who’s not financially is actually Belgian. And same age, he was the financial director for a big company in Colombia, and he was just going back to Belgium and had enough of his jobs to also quit his job. And so we had two zoom meetings of two hours and we decided to start a business together. So obviously, when you start a business you didn’t really earn any money. And technically you do that with someone that you know, that’s someone that you trust. But now instead, we just we just started a business without knowing each other or even meeting each other. But we still work together three years later. And, and yeah, and I think that’s, for me, it’s part of the beauty of the project that just, you know, taking risks. And let’s see, and always thought to myself, what could happen? Okay, maybe that’s not going to work. And I’m just gonna go back to get a normal job. And that’s fine, you know. But I love that


Anna Lundberg  

you mentioned Costa Rica, because I went to Central America, I think in 2012. And then to South America, the following year, there’s something about the culture isn’t that it’s very different to the sort of Northern European mentality. I love it, too. It’s very appealing, I suppose. You know, the podcast is called reimagining success. So during that time, did you ever think about what is success when you were kind of climbing that corporate ladder? Where you think, Oh, yes, I’m gonna be manager, I’m really successful. When you then quit that? Did you ever feel like a failure? Because you didn’t have those things? You know, how did you view success during these different transitions?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, it’s funny, because even like, you know, I’m French and between France and England, there are differences of what success in my opinion, and yes, I was. Really, you know, my first job was in the UK. So I like I was like, raised professionally, you know, in England. And yes, success was, you know, get a lot of money, go out, spend, you know, your money, go to Las Vegas, good, you know, all these things. And which I did, and I had a lot of fun doing it. But then I guess, when you got older, and you know, how to Dota. So now I was 31. Of course, priorities change and success, or the way you see success changes, and I think made us normal. Is that a good thing? And yes, earning money is goods. But, you know, if you don’t do something that you like, or if you don’t live in a city? That’s right, what’s the point? What’s the point of having money? And, and I think, you know, so this is what I was thinking, you know, back in the days, and I think COVID and log down, and the fact that everyone was just stuck at home for three months, really made people realize that, you know, life is shorts, really shows you don’t know what could happen, you know, like another COVID Again, or whatever. And just don’t get stuck somewhere where you’re not happy. And again, what’s what’s happiness? You know, I think some people try to teach other people what’s happiness, but I don’t agree with that. I think you have your own version, you have your own definition of happiness. I have mine and anyone, you know, they are worth 7 billion people who seek something billion people, you know, there are 7 billion definitions of happiness. What I actually did. I don’t know if you know, the book, the Four-Hour Work Week?


Anna Lundberg  

Yes, yes, Tim Ferriss, Tim Ferriss, yet.


Alexandre Hernandez  

I don’t like everything about a book. But there are few good things. And one thing that a guy said in the book is, usually you hear people say, I’m young, I’ve got a lot of energy, I’m just going to work hard until I’m like, 50-55. And then I’m going to do things that I enjoy. What the guy says in the book is, why don’t you to think that you enjoy now, you know, when you’re 30 or 25. And it really resonated in me that yeah, you know, what’s, what’s the point of waiting, you know, now you’re young, you have kids, you can do things with them, you know, we went to Costa Rica, we my daughter, she was two years old. And I guess a lot of people would have said as crazy, you can’t go to Costa Rica, we were two years. Okay. And we all had a pretty good time. And, and so that plus Yeah, this trip to Costa Rica, it really made us realize that we were not happy enough to keep the same life and an exercise that I did actually took a piece of paper. So it’s really easy to say you take a piece of paper and you just write down 10 things that make you happy. You just do it for yourself. You know, you don’t need to ask people’s opinion, you just do it for yourself. And for me, there were things like you know, not getting on a tube in the morning. Or it was like just, you know, go and ride my mountain bike for the weekend and, and spend time with my family more end. And then at the end of this exercise, I realized that my life back in a time Paris was not compatible with what made me happy. So I was like, Okay, what you know, what was 33 years on mine? Yes, I had a really good job, really good salary. Everything from the outside was like, really good. Still, I quit my job. And now I live in a countryside just outside of Madrid, I’ve got a big house, you know, I take a walk my daughter to school in the morning, I walk fully remote, I can organize my days the way I want. I never met so many interesting people, even though it’s not always like in real life. And yeah, I think, for me, at least, you know, between what makes me happy and what my life gives me, like, it’s a much better balance to them. Even though, you know, I went from like, six figure salary to zero for like, two years, the first two years and even not much today. But still, you know, yes, we don’t really go to the restaurants anymore. Yes, we don’t really go on holidays anymore. But that’s fine. You know, whereas before we were just going out, like, all the time, you know, and that’s fine. You know, I found a much better balance today.


Anna Lundberg  

Yeah. Because so many things to pick up. I mean, Tim Ferriss book, I agree, there was so many things I didn’t like about it, but it’s definitely I think it was the start of a big trend, wasn’t it? It was quite kind of pioneering. And and very appealing, although, I think, disingenuous, I don’t think he works a four hour workweek. But certainly, there are some insights right? Ridiculously I watched this not very good film. I don’t know if you’ve seen it, hopefully not with George Clooney and Julia Roberts last night ticket to Paradise, it’s a new one, it’s, their daughter quit her job as a lawyer to move to Bali. And then they say exactly the same, why not be happy now as well. Lots of parallels. And in fact, the other one is, I’m just started reading last night, the book and my God that he’s written a book called Soul for happy, his his son tragically died. And he’s looked at really being resilient and being happy even in difficult circumstances. And he did that exact same exercise, which was get a piece of paper, write down the things that make you happy. And it’s so simple, isn’t it, and it seems really cheesy, but I mean, that’s, that’s what life is about. And as you say, there are so many stories of people who live, work, work, work, and then unfortunately, get a brain tumor, have a heart attack, whatever it is. And so, even now, I’m beginning to realize I’m getting too old to do certain things. So you know, it’s better to start enjoying it. Now. You sound like a really positive, resilient, confident person. Whether or not that’s true, you know, what is it that helps you when you have zero salary and COVID hits, and you’ve got the house and the the kid in the hot streak all these things, what helps you feel positive and confident and have the faith and be resilient? Any tips for people who maybe struggle with those things? And, and, you know, people around you, you said, was saying, oh my gosh, you’ve got to get a job. So what helped you to stay on your path?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, and I am very positive. And I think that’s why actually, you know, take decisions like this, this is going to different country, and even if you don’t speak the language, you know, I always think that things will work out fine. And so at the time, I had some savings, my bank account, my wife was working. So you know, and we just didn’t do anything, didn’t go on holidays, didn’t go to a restaurant didn’t do much. But I was fine. And, of course, before quitting our jobs, we actually talk about it. And we knew that it would be, you know, different ways to move to Spain, which is a much cheaper, you know, lifestyle compared to compared to to the to England or France, for example. But again, I mean, of course, it’s, you know, when I hear people being negative, or when I hear people, you know, telling me not to do something, I think that these people actually scary, and they just, you know, like, trust me to the Yeah, you know, that


Anna Lundberg  

they’re projecting their own fears, right. They’re projecting their fears onto you. Yeah,


Alexandre Hernandez  

exactly. So I mean, again, you know, Don’t be crazy. And always, you know, think through what you want to do. But again, if you don’t want to do something, you can always find an excuse for not doing it. Yeah. When I quit my job. I’ve heard like, oh, you probably single now, I’m actually married with a daughter, or you probably have no mortgages. Oh, yeah. I had like four and I just got a new one. So, you know, and yes, you can always find an excuse. So, I think if you have the confidence in yourself, that you will succeed. Yes, that will be difficult. And yes, it will be really difficult. And yes, you will be you will be working harder than than the rest of the people. But I don’t see why it’s not going to work. You know, but yesterday people want every sound very old saying that but yes, people now want everything, you know, straightaway, they want to have really good salary straightaway, they want to have the best roles right away. So it doesn’t work like this, you know, if you to take risk, you will give up on a lot of things. And you will be earning. I was earning zero for two years. And and but I guess that’s part of the process to be successful. And if you’re not ready to give up For a lot of things, yes, don’t take risk, you know, keep your your safe permanent job, which is not a good thing. You know, some people want to keep the same job, but I really think that we we are, you know, much more scared than what we should be like something Oh yeah, but I have kids, I can’t move country I have kids, my daughter learn Spanish. I mean, yeah, her mom, what is Spanish but she was not speaking any word of Spanish when we moved to Spain, in two months. She she was speaking French, Spanish, you know, and now she’s telling me that my Spanish is really bad. Which, which is my Spanish is worse than hers. But, you know, and now she’s like, she speaks French with a Spanish accent. Now she completely switched, you know, nationalities. And, and, and again, what if you know, the company you will set up is not going to work? Just get a get a permanent job again. You know, I think you can always go back to your old life, things don’t don’t work out. But again, every time I talk to someone who actually took risk, almost no one goes back to the life, you know, two, three previous life. So, yeah, I think it’s just don’t listen to other people too much. Don’t listen too much. Because if they’re scared, they will hear you and you will not do it.


Anna Lundberg  

Yeah, I think we look for external validation. I certainly am not the kind of person like you who would take decisions like that. So I’d ask people until somebody retirements the right thing, but they won’t. So that’s the kind of decision that has to come from you, right, unless you immerse yourself in positive communities that people who have taken those risks as well. It’s an interesting point you said about the generations because I think that’s a whole other topic. But this idea of the younger, entitled, generations coming up, I’m quite curious as to Gen Zed, and so on, who I think are very enlightened in terms of understanding that it’s not about the career ladder, and so on. But you’re right, if maybe the pendulum swings too far that way, then actually, they’re not putting in the work, they’re not building the career capital and so on. So it’s nuanced isn’t it’s not that you can just move to Spain and live the perfect life, right? There’s


Alexandre Hernandez  

everything you see on social media. That’s why I’m not on Instagram anymore. I’m not on Facebook anymore. Because it seems like you’re just gonna, as you say, get a plane ticket to Bali, and you will become like, you’re like a digital nomad doing marketing, like $1,000 a day, no, that’s not gonna work, you will be struggling for two years, you know, you will be eating rice for two years, but you’re gonna have no money. And, and, and that’s reality. And yes, moving your life, you know, you will probably go back to, you know, like, you know, less, maybe not doing not not traveling anymore. But if you’re ready to accept it. And again, if you if you priorities, or not the ones that you had before, you know, if you want to have more time with your family, why does it matter if you actually earn 20% or 50%, less, and before, you know, the, I guess, again, you can’t have everything, you just can’t, you know, you just can’t have everything. So set up your priorities, accept the fact that you will struggle, you will struggle, you will work hard. And the gains won’t be immediate, you know, you will, you know, for me now, it’s been like three years now. Now, the company’s doing good, and I’m earning a bit more money. So now we can we can do, you know, maybe going out to bid more and stuff. But, you know, it’s a long process. And a lot of people, you know, to give up?


Anna Lundberg  

I think so. Absolutely. I mean, most people give up in the first year, right? And I think as you say it, you know, to actually get to three, four or five years in is, yeah, takes a lot of grit and persistence, ever come into your business, then I think that’s incredible that you met a guy on June twice, and then decided to become co founders, because I’ve only ever heard, perhaps negatively bad experiences of co founders. And I have a bit of a bias towards having my own business. But can you talk us through the business model a little bit in brief, you know, what is the business? And how have you been building over the last three years or so?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, I mean, we as any startup, we change a lot of business model. But now when we actually talk for the first time, so he was coming from like a, he was a financial director. So very different, different background, and 10, from recruitments. But we both agreed that so we were both 33 at a time, we both had a really good job, six figure salaries from the outside, everything was perfect. But we both quit our job, because we were not happy and like happy enough or happy anymore about about our job. And what made us like click and really connect was the fact that we wanted to help people find a job that like a meaningful job for them. Because when you talk to people, it really seems I don’t really have the exact figures but it really seemed that I would say probably two thirds of people are not really happy at work. You know, whether it’s because they saying that their job is meaningless, whether they are commuting for two hours every morning, you know, they’re always reason. But it seems that people are really happier at work. So we were like, Okay, let’s try to build something to help people becoming, you know, happy at work, because at the end of the day, that’s where you spend, what, seven, eight hours a day, you know, you spend more time with your colleagues and with your husband, wife, or, you know, kids. So if you do something that you don’t like, for 40 years, it’s gonna be really long. So we first had, like a matching algorithm, helping so the algorithm was applying to jobs on your behalf, anonymously. So we had that product for a year and a half. We made some mistakes along the way. That was the first time we’re setting up a company. And what happened is back in so a year ago, exactly January 2022, so we had a business running for 14 months. But we could see all these flexibility, remote, you know, concepts, you know, we’re gonna hear that a lot. And what we need to actually talk to Ron, you know, 1500 job seekers. And we asked them just one question, what is for you the most important criteria to look for a new job 70% replied, flexibility. But the majority meant remote with some people also mentioned, the four day week, unlimited holidays, flexible hours, people want more flexibility, and people would rather tech flexibility over salary now. And at the same time, these people were telling us I want flexibility, I want remote, but I just don’t know how to find it. Because the way the job platforms work is let’s take your example, you want to find out on a whatever marketing position, you live in London, and you want the full remote. If you type that on main platforms, you will find English based company offering remote in England, which is fine. But why limiting yourself to work for an English based company where you could potentially work for a Japanese company and American company and French company you know what, because remote work has no borders anymore. So what we build and what we launch in June, so it’s been seven, eight months now is a is a search engine dedicated purely to remote work. And it’s not based on the company’s location anymore is based on the candidates location. So if I retake some example, you live in London, you are looking for a marketing position, you will be typing marketing, England, and you will see job offers from companies able to hire you from England, whether the company is American, Columbian, French doesn’t really matter. And, and yeah, and at least the only pure remote job in our hybrid positions is purely remote. And so yes, six months later, we have 1.5 million visitors on our website. We have companies from a lot of different countries, you know, sponsoring the offers, we have 70,000 remote job offers and website and, and really helping talents find a job remotely but also helping companies find talent remotely.


Anna Lundberg  

And there’s other companies who are paying then you said they’re sponsoring or two candidates also pay how was it monetized


Alexandre Hernandez  

candidate doesn’t pay anything that’s free for the candidates and we always be free. The companies are paying to sponsor the job offers if they want, okay. And and yeah, actually us. We are also remote company we are 22 people. So now we are two more funders. So we are two in Spain, one in Belgium and one in Colombia is our four funders. And we have people in Australia, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Venice, Italy, Portugal. We have a lot of countries, a lot of people in a lot of countries.


Anna Lundberg  

Do you have investors?


Alexandre Hernandez  

Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we have business angels, mostly for Belgium, from Belgium. And but yeah, we are really a global company. And that’s what we want to be and we want to keep working with with companies from a lot of different countries want to keep and traffic. We have traffic from Asia, South America, North America, Africa, Europe, we really have a global traffic and so on.


Anna Lundberg  

And finally, we mentioned marketing as a job then we talk about, you said that you’re not on Facebook and Instagram. So I’m just curious in terms of do you build your brand as the founder or is it more about the platform? How do you see that from a branding and marketing perspective?


Alexandre Hernandez  

So for me, I only use LinkedIn and I use LinkedIn a lot. I build my brand on LinkedIn. So I would just publish every day. As a company. Yeah, we do marketing on Instagram, Facebook, tick, tock, LinkedIn. These are the four main platforms that we use. But I’m not in charge of marketing. So I couldn’t really give you much detail.


Anna Lundberg  

But as the found that was I know, you mentioned before we start recording that you spoke at a conference, for example. So is that something are you around sort of evangelizing the concept of remote work? And so on? Yes,


Alexandre Hernandez  

yes, a lot. Because what I realized is, even though a lot more people want to take this route of becoming more flexible, more remote, now people want to travel, want to travel with the kids, and they are now options and companies helping families traveling with kids, for example. But at the same time, just people don’t know where to start. You know, yes, I want to I’ve got a remote jobs, I can travel to South America, but you know, how my kids are going to go to school. They just have no clue because it’s so new. And, you know, I don’t think COVID actually changed things, I think COVID accelerated things in a way that we move from a very, you know, office based life to, like a walk from anywhere ready. But you know, if you go to a different country, you need to look for insurances, oh, you know, how does it work, how to get a job there, how to get a house or going to school. So I really want to, yeah, help people get to understand how to take this new life, which is, everything is possible. It’s not too complicated. To get this this remote life, you just need to find the right tools and the right companies to help you out. So that’s why I’m going to be communicating a lot. But


Anna Lundberg  

just the unknown, isn’t it because it just feels a bit scary to people who perhaps don’t have your same sense of throwing themselves into the unknown and not knowing really. And for me, again, it’s been 10 years now since I quit. And initially, that was a huge, scary decision. But it’s very easy over time. I mean, my comfort zone has changed now. But it’s easy for that to shrink again, because I haven’t been nomadic for some years and then settled down in London, we’re now building sort of our dream home, and I’ve got children, and it’s easy to forget that whole world of possibility. So it’s just good to have that reminder. I guess final question, in terms of we’ve talked about remote work and that balance and so on, what does your working week and life in Spain look like with your daughter? How many hours? Are you working? Sort of? How do you set it up?


Alexandre Hernandez  

I work before I guess that’s also you know, part of being a founder of a startup. You know, our employees don’t work as much as we do. I not a morning person. So I would wake you up at eight o’clock. Just gonna move a bit because it’d be noisy here. Yeah. So I would wake up at eight o’clock, and I will wake up my daughter eight o’clock. She’s not a morning, person. And, and, yeah, cuz my wife leaves, leaves work leaves for cataract seven fits in for me. So yeah, we just spent, we, my daughter will just have breakfast together. And then we will just walk to school, which is like a 15 minutes walk. But it’s nice, because, you know, she would wake up much better, because she just walking on or getting her scooter to go to school. And I will just spend time with which we’re going with neighbors, they have kids as well. So we go all together. And then yeah, we’ll just start work around like 930. And people know, you know, you’re not going to reach out to me before 930. And, yeah, I’ll always try to take an hour lunch like to cook always try to cook, eat something not bad. And yeah, we’ll stop at around, you know, 430 to pick up my daughter at school. Usually, when we go back home, it’s like 515 I will just walk around for five more minutes and then try to stop between seven and nine. Spend time with have dinner all together. And usually I like to work late. So you know work from nine to 11. For me, I don’t plan to work like this all my life. Yes is still the beginning of the company. And we still have to do a lot of things. But at the same time, you know, if I have if I want to go to the gym like 3pm Two hours go to the gym at 3pm I don’t ask anything, anyone. I’m just doing it. On Friday, I try to finish early like at four o’clock something. And what’s good is for example on over the weekend, I was in Lisbon with my friends and I arrived quite early on Friday morning. So I just woke motif from Lisbon until my friends arrived like 2pm So yeah, really work the way I want. And, and that’s cool, you know? And I try to take holidays sometime, you know, I feel tired. If I don’t have any meetings, we’ll just take the morning off because I need to and I guess that’s a big perk have, you know, working remote and we have like unlimited holiday option or the company, you just take days off when you need them?


Anna Lundberg  

Yeah. So I mean, you say you work really hard and harder the employees but it still sounds quite nice, you know, starting working 930 being able to take time off having the flexibility. So it’s a it’s a slower pace than if you were doing those same hours, I suppose in London, I have friends who are stressed hate their work working late into the evening after kids bedtime. And so I know that sounds very different the way you’re describing your life in Spain,


Alexandre Hernandez  

I mean, exactly what when I say what I was probably in terms of how was like, longer hours, and I was working in London or Paris. But in London, for example. Because we were starting at eight o’clock, and I had an hour and a half took journey. I was leaving home at 615 and salmon evening, so I was leaving at 650. And going back probably like almost nine o’clock. No time for anything. And now because I will, I would structure my days, the way it wants. And at the end of the day, I will spend more time with family, I would go to the gym, I would you know what, once per week, I usually go to the co working in Madrid to see people and see friends. And and yes, so I’m working longer hours, but at the same time, I’m doing a lot more of my personal stuff. You know. So again, remote work, in my in my case, at least. And I really believe that is really helps you to organize and structure a day the way you want and really combine your professional and personal life, which is what everyone wants, you know,


Anna Lundberg  

yeah, but for me, that’s sort of the work life integration concept that it’s it’s more powerful, I think, than balance. I guess it all ties in so beautifully, because the work you do and the business and your lifestyle, but what are your I guess, what’s your vision for yourself, but also for the world of remote work? How do you see the next few years evolving?


Alexandre Hernandez  

I mean, first of all, we would like as a company to move to the full full day week. Because there are many, many, you know, surveys showing that you actually don’t close in proximity and the same work is done. So we really want to move to that. Regarding, you know, the future of work and remote, yes, full remote is not for everyone, I fully accept that, especially for younger people, they usually, you know, live in smaller places, you know, if you live in a very small studio, you don’t want to be you know, stuck in it like all day. And you also need to get, you know, to learn and maybe want to be next to the managers to learn more, which I fully understand. But in my opinion is today, a company can’t force people to come to an office the other week, you know, and I think the future of work will will be you know, much more choice. Because why a manager because maybe that guy or that woman is singled out as an okay, that just has just life wants to go five days in your face would force people to do the same, you know, everyone is different. Everyone has a different life. And, and let just people choose, you know, and I think yes, remote will change things and and and but yeah, again, much more than remote is really flexibility and choice to be Yeah,


Anna Lundberg  

I love that. And as we said coming full circle it’s so personal what happiness looks like to you what success is what flexibility is. Amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your your personal journey as well as the bigger picture. Where can we find your company and whether it’s a company wants to hire remotely? Or an individual who wants to find a remote job? Where can we find out more?


Alexandre Hernandez  

So find me the easiest is LinkedIn, Alex Hernandez, LinkedIn, and yeah, the company, job giver.com. That’s the website where you can find all the jobs. So if you’re looking for a remote job, you can just have a look. We can set up set up audits for jobs. And we as I said, we are adding 2000 new jobs every day. So they’re always going to be you know, new new opportunities. And again, you know, social media you look out for together on tick tock Instagram, you will you will find ourselves


Anna Lundberg  

Nice. So you don’t have to be on there but your marketing team takes care of it like it is the way to do outsourcing the things you don’t enjoy. Okay, well, thank you so much for sharing. We’ll link to that as well. But I’m really looking forward to sharing your story. Thank you, Alex, again for sharing. I’m sure that was inspiring to too many and definitely signals the shift that’s happening and hopefully towards the better, more flexibility, fewer days, fewer stress, and more balance for everybody. Thanks so much


Alexandre Hernandez  

for inviting me it was a really nice chat.


Anna Lundberg  

That’s a pleasure. Thank you. Bye bye



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