Ep. 231 Boundless Life with Elodie Ferchaud


In this week’s episode, Anna speaks to Elodie Ferchaud in the latest in her interview series.

Elodie FerchaudCan you live around the world as a young family?

In this week’s episode, Anna speaks to Elodie Ferchaud in the latest in her interview series. Elodie is a travel enthusiast, mum of three, and remote work advocate. In 2022, she took her family around the world with Boundless Life, and she is now working for that same start-up as head of demand generation. Have a listen to understand how Elodie’s definition of success has evolved, and how she has found her ‘ikigai’ in her new role.

You can connect with Elodie on her Website, LinkedIn and Instagram.

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Boundless Life

Anna Lundberg  

Hello, everybody. And welcome back to another interview. I’m here with Elodie Ferchaud who I know from my Procter and Gamble days. And we have an interesting story for you today-  a few twists and turns, as we always find along these journeys, but I’ll let Elodie and her own words explain what’s happened. But Elodie, why don’t you tell us briefly first: What were you doing before? And what have been the few steps, the highlights, of the changes that you’ve been making over the past few years? Let’s put it that way.


Elodie Ferchaud  

Yeah, sounds good. Hi, everyone. And it’s lovely to be here. So quickly about myself and what happened. So I was born in France, but I really feel like a citizen of the world. So I’ve traveled and lived in over 11 countries in the past few years. And I’m and that’s really my passion, like, my passion is about traveling is about exploring. It’s about being out there. Now I’ve been, I’ve been starting with like 13 years working in big Corp. So started with L’Oreal. And then P&G. That’s where we met with Anna then moved to Coty. And it’s been an amazing year years during which I’ve learned tonnes. I absolutely love the domain as well as working a lot with beauty brands, developing designing beautiful products, and, and it was very stimulating a lot of amazing colleagues learned a lot. I really have fond memories of those years. And then what happened is the following there was… Thank you, we’ll all remember this little COVID moment that happened COVID hit, I was managing a 20 million business back in the days with 20 people, OPI business in the UK, and I love the brand. I love my team, it was very successful. But at that point in time, a lot of things just…


Anna Lundberg  

I have it here on my desk, just to do some brand placement, I have the OPI nail strengthener. My nails are not doing so well at the moment.


Elodie Ferchaud  

So there was heavy work. And that was also homeschooling, I think many of you will remember those lovely days in the UK where you had to homeschool for like six months of the year. I also had a tragic event in the family. And then suddenly I just paused and I was like, why am I doing all of this? I enjoy myself every day. Is it something that where I feel fulfilled? And, and I asked myself, like a lot of the tough questions. And I decided that I didn’t have any of the answers, but it definitely didn’t feel right. And so I talk with my partner and and yeah, I decided to take a sabbatical. That was a big thing for me because I was like super hard working. And I didn’t want to give up and I wanted to keep on climbing, you know that conveyor belt. But I was like, no, like, I really need to stop, I need to pause. And so I took a sabbatical. I have to say the first day was amazing. Like I could do so many things. And the first week was horrible. Suddenly, I felt completely lost. I didn’t know what to do. But eventually, like spending the time I rediscovered myself, and eventually went to start my own company. Real Beauty, which was a big passion point for me for for quite a few months. And it gave me the freedom it gave me the freedom to work remotely, which was really powerful as a mother of three kids. And as I discovered that freedom of remote working, I decided to live for a few months in Portugal. We were in London, back in the days, and we just needed to see something different. And for a long time, we had talked about this lifestyle of moving from one place to another every three months, which was impossible because we had three kids. So how would that even possible. And that’s when we joined a company called boundless life that made it like really easy for us to travel from one place to another. And after a few months working there, I discovered that there was just such an alignment in terms of values. I decided to pause my business and decided to join on this slide. Just simply because it felt absolutely right. And because I wanted to try something different, and I didn’t want to have any regrets. So it’s like the last two last 12 months have been absolutely crazy. So it’s a little bit difficult to answer this question, but a lot a lot has happened. And I’m happy to say that now. Like I do feel like I’ve found my my et guy. I don’t know if you’re familiar with this concept.


Anna Lundberg  

We talked a lot on the podcast. As you said I love that you said before we recorded before we started recording that it’s really you found something that’s really at that magical place right the sweet spot between your passion and your values, the things you’re good at, and so on. Right. So I think that’s really powerful. Because interestingly, in a way, you’ve gone back to a full time job, in fact, but as you said, it’s fully remote. And it’s at the intersection of all those things that you love, and it works so flexibly around your family. So I think it’s so important to realize that that success can look to can take a different shape, right? It doesn’t have to be that you’re contracting, or you’re running or in business, or whatever it is, it really can and should look, however you want to, but I do remember you mentioned the 13 countries there, right? Because I remember you thinking differently, even when I knew you, and I think you lived in fact, I visited you guys in Japan, and in Stockholm, you’re in London. And I loved I have a vague memory, but a strong line of you thinking about sort of the criteria for where you want to live. And at the time, I was single. So it was my criteria were a bit more vague, but I thought it was such a good way of looking at things. Because it can be so overwhelming, you can go anywhere. But you just need to think I don’t know whether jobs, work children, whatever it is languages, and then you can kind of start filtering. And I love that approach. I guess one question I have. And you come from that kind of luxury beauty background, as you said, and now you’re doing something quite different. And becoming a mother of three and traveling the world. And so And how has your view of what success looks like, evolved over that time compared to as you said, when you were sort of hustling away in that office, you mentioned there the pandemic, you mentioned, a sad personal experience as well, you know, how how do you look at success? And how has that changed over these experiences?


Elodie Ferchaud  

That’s a great question. I think I was very much influenced in the past by an external vision of success, like, it had been already defined, like I had learned from a very young age that, you know, moving up the ladder was going to be the definition of success. And and I should work hard, and I should prove myself. And by by just, you know, moving from manager to director to Vice President, that would be the definition of success. So very externally driven. I think what I learned over the past 12 month is, is to try to define what is my own definition of success, like what do I define as success, what does make me happy, but also fulfilled. And at the end of every day feeling like I’m acting on something that is that makes sense for me. Where I’m driving value, I think what I’m doing now, enabling more families to travel around the world easily with the kids. This is what I call, this is what I call success for myself, like, I know that I will change the lives of those families, whether they love it, whether they stay or decide not to stay with us, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, that’s an experience that they will talk about as a family forever. And I know as a mom, that creating those memories, those like lifelong memories with with your kids, is everything. And I think that now I’ve learned over the past few months to define what is important for me, versus what is important in the eyes of society, and what is this external definition of success. But it took me a really, really long time to accept that it took me some time also to, you know, stop and, and go back to who I am and not what I am. What is my role in society. So I used to define myself a lot by you know, I’m working in this company, and I’m a mom of three kids. And I think now I do a switch. It’s just like, What do I love doing? Well, what are my passion points? What are my values, and my passion points or, you know, traveling, discovering the world and raising my kids in a very, in a very future forward looking way. Those are some of my big passion points. I had read this amazing book called Untamed that really talked about this, moving from how you define yourself, what is your role in society to Who are you? What do you love doing? And I think that’s the first step to then redefine what success means for you having that own personal understanding. But it does take time.


Anna Lundberg  

It’s a great book, Untamed. Yeah, I think that that external sort of view is something that we do grow up with, I think for whatever reason, our society kind of guides us on that path. And it’s a powerful because whether we choose to leave our job, or we’re forced into redundancy, it’s so dangerous to have our identity so caught up in being you know, in this particular company, and I found it really difficult the first few years when I left, because I was still sort of saying, Oh, I used to work in this impressive big company or like, I’d say I still was a digital marketing consultant because it sounded more impressive in certain circles. And in fact, and then I went into this adventurous phase. And I kind of lost that identity after a while and then I’m like, I can’t really say I am no magic anymore because I’ve lived in the same place now for a while. And then as you say, you become only a mother. And it’s very confusing, actually. So you know, it’s many of those points. And I think, as you said, if you’re clear on the core of who you are, and what’s important to you, that’s what’s there. The whole time, regardless of children, no children, single, divorced, married, you know, traveling, not traveling, and so on understanding who you are. And that’s really powerful. And when you made that initial decision to leave the world that you were quite familiar with in terms of the corporate and then also, I suppose, when you then decided to join the company, were you working? Now? What were your fears? Did you have any kind of doubts? Or was it just super clear? No, this is 100% the right thing for me to do.


Elodie Ferchaud  

So I think the biggest fear was moving from, from big Corp to then launching my own company, that was the biggest one, because I was going into the unknown. And that’s, that’s really scary, especially when you’ve been used for like 1015 years, to a certain pattern, you know what to expect. So that was definitely the scariest. I think, at some point, after two, three months of working on review at at the time, I started also doing some consulting on the side, just to reassure myself, I’ve also to get revenues. But I started diversifying a little bit, because I was suddenly quite insecure. And I was like, I’m not really sure I know how to do this, I want to try. But just to reassure myself, then I started doing some consulting on the side for for an advertising company. And at the beginning, I was like, This is so wrong, like I should just focus on one thing. And then when I started realizing is that in this early phase, I was still very unclear on on what I wanted to do, I was exploring. And, and what I discovered is that it was actually really powerful to just try different things. I had spent many months thinking about what I wanted to do, and like writing down a lot of ideas and thinking, thinking, thinking, but there was a point where I just like needed to get my hands dirty, and just try things. And there were some that just didn’t stick. And some that did. And just by trying and by getting things done, I started figuring out what I really enjoyed doing. Now the move from my company to boundless life was was very complicated in that it was, it was to really interesting path and very different from a life standpoint, you know, you’re just, you’re just at this intersection, and you’re like, my life is gonna be completely different. And I only have one of them how reaches decision. And the same day, I got the offer to integrate an incubator in Berlin, and to start with with boundless light. And the best way, or the way I made this decision was, what am I going to regret? What’s never gonna come back. And, and what I, what I knew, like really deep is that what boundless was doing was 100% aligned with who I was. And it was the first time I felt this so deeply, like this is exactly where I’m supposed to be. And to that if I missed it now, it will be too late. Because it was a startup, it was going fast. And I had I had always wanted to be part of that kind of adventure. And it was easy in the sense that I knew the people. So I was like I knew exactly who I was joining. I had lived that for three months. So I knew I knew what was the product. And I knew the experience of it. So that eventually I think it took me a few days. And yeah, I decided to make that jump. And I have no regrets. Like that was that was that was really right. So always asking yourself, like, what am I going to regret? I think for me, it has been always very helpful.


Anna Lundberg  

That’s a great question. Because I think there’s so much work, you can do exercises on what are your values and what’s important, and I could go on so. Yeah, exactly. Pros and cons is a dangerous one, I think because you intellectualize it so much. And of course, you can never have complete information as they say economics, so you can’t possibly I love the kind of more emotional way of projecting yourself into the future. Maybe I’m thinking what would I regret and sort of visualizing that because there’s no way you can ever make the decision completely based on pros and cons. It just doesn’t work that way. When I quit my job that was it. It was a gut thing. It wasn’t it didn’t really make sense on paper. But I just felt it was so right. And because it was so different to anything I’ve ever done. Like that’s what made me so sure that it was the right thing to do. And I think that’s difficult to trust because we’re so used to being rational and making the sensible choice. But I love what you said about experimenting and trying things because that is the only way you will ever find out right. What actually, you enjoy. So I think it’s really important.


Elodie Ferchaud  

Yeah, I think we always have a tendency to spend a lot of time strategizing and thinking and putting thoughts on papers. But at the end of the day, it’s really about getting your hands dirty. It’s about trying things just by doing you will feel what, what, what is right and what isn’t. You can project yourself. But until you just get in it and try it, then I think you just you just don’t know. And what do you have to lose? Like, generally speaking, there are some moments in time where you, you know that you have to make that change. You, and often you, you have very little to lose, I think, I think those big life changes. You always postpone them. So they are there in your head for a really long time. You just postpone that. No, that’s not the right time. Like I have family, I have kids. And then eventually, there is a moment where your body is just telling you like, no, it’s really time. And I think when I was talking about the big life event that happened to me, I think it just made me realize by losing someone very precious that you know, maybe what’s happening, maybe tomorrow is my last day, like what do I want to do with this life that I have now? What is so important? Why am I here? You know, I’m so lucky to be here, I should make the most out of every day on this planet. And really make sure that I have no regret, like at the end of every day, I’m going to bed and I have no regrets. I’m 100% where I’m supposed to be. But the tricky one is to find that place. And experimenting is the best way to to figuring out.


Anna Lundberg  

So sad, isn’t it that something like that has to happen to remind us because it’s obvious fact, life is short, we say it very sort of flippantly, but actually it’s so true. And unfortunately, with that you can’t write because you go crazy if you thought about it all the time, the inevitability of death. But in a way, it’s very empowering to remind yourself,


Elodie Ferchaud  

definitely, but you know, that’s one thing actually, we see in a lot of the families joining us with wellness, like they’ve had a big big life event. often not as dramatic as this, but there has been something really big happening to them that just made them wake up and ask themselves the question, like, what do I want to what do I want in terms of learning? What do I want from my families? What do I want for my kids? And then suddenly, they stop, they exit the hamster wheel, and they just stop. And then just most of the time, they don’t have the answers. No one has the answers, but at least they ask themselves the right question. And they start acting on it. And they start trying things. And then you have beautiful discussions with those families when you’re together. Because you’re you’re all you’re all hungry, to basically figure out what is right for you what is right for your family. We’re in the world that is changing faster than ever. And I think, and I think we have all those questions in our heads. So trying to change the way we’re living, maybe will give us some of those answers, hopefully.


Anna Lundberg  

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s so interesting, because I think you couldn’t have known about boundless life, you wouldn’t have gone straight from your corporate role to that, right? The fact that you were able to train yourself first, it was sort of a stepping stone along the way. So you had to launch yourself into that uncertainty in order to arrive where you are today. But I’d love for you to tell us more about boundless life. So I mean, for me, travel was a huge part of initially, I did a sabbatical. And then I decided to quit my job. And I met families on way. And I was so impressed with them, their little toddlers in South America, and I thought I could never do. And then and then myself having gone through that kind of adventure space and settle down more with kids. I’m super curious, personally, selfishly, I’d like to hear more. But I know, it’s a really interesting concept. I think so why don’t you tell us more about what boundless life does? And what was your experience?


Elodie Ferchaud  

With pleasure? I think you’re what you’re what you’re talking about is quite typical. We have, we see a lot of families who, who have done it before. And when they were single, they love traveling, they loved exploring the world. And then suddenly, they felt like it was not possible anymore. And they had to settle down somewhere. And, and maybe they could travel during the holiday. But that’s it basically. And basically, our founder model went through the exact same situation. At some point, it’s just asked himself like, Why do I actually have to do that? Why do I have to wait for the holiday to explore the world? What can I like be on the go all year long, in a way that makes sense for my family. So basically, boundless life is a hybrid between a living and an education and the hospitality solution. It’s it’s a solution for families to live to live abroad. So what we coordinate is housing, education, and also co working space for the families who can stay three months at The time in every destination and then move for us is really important this slow travelling movement, because we know that for the kids, the kids do need some stability in the adventure. And that’s what we try to offer. So settling down making friends for three months being in a house, and then moving to the next destination with exactly the same school. So if you go into the Central School, it will look exactly the same as the one in Greece and Xeros the same curriculum, the teachers have been educated exactly the same way. And you have that stability and the adventure and the stability of other places, but also of the people, because the beauty of it is that you can travel with other families from one destination to another, and that continuity in in your exploration. So it’s very, very new concept, because you have like, hubs here and there that families that worldschooling families are doing. But really what we want to create with boundless is, is an education system that that will follow the kids wherever you’re going for the moment, we have three destinations. So one in Portugal, one in Greece and one in Italy. And and yeah, fourth one and fifth one in the planning for 2023. So a lot more exciting destinations for for the families to travel and experience the world.


Anna Lundberg  

But I think the education is the key concerns that certainly from my own thoughts, right, I was very Oh, well schooling and homeschooling sounds very interesting pre children. And now suddenly, I find myself clinging to the comfort zone of Oh, but this is how everyone else does it. And how could you possibly break away from that, and I remember meeting a couple who happened to be teachers, but they took their kids out of school and traveled around the country, I think for two or three years. And they did TED talks, and the kids were like, saving the ocean. I mean, they were doing incredible things that you would never learn to do at school, you know, and it was just such a powerful experience to witness and yet, it still felt so far off, because they were teachers. And you know, it’s a very different experience. But having that safety, I suppose and knowing that there is that education system, to me between sounds like it would help a lot to just sort of reassure you a little bit in terms of that, that you’re not going to just be happy to have the homeschooling like lots of people doing lockdown as well, if that’s not something you want to do.


Elodie Ferchaud  

Exactly, I think it’s a mix of of ever be relieved, like for many of our families is the belief that you know, the kids should be in an education program. But also it’s, it’s, it’s parents who might not want to homeschool, like, I’m one of them. Like, I know, my son, I and I also have a job. So it’s just impossible. And so suddenly, what what is what is made available is to have this education system that travels around the world with you. I know that this was the main reason why we joined originally, because we really valued this this education, this future forward looking education. And then when we were there, what we realized as well was the power of being with other families who were also challenging, you know, the paradigm of, of family living families who were asking themselves questions and wanted to live differently. And so you also just meet really fun families. And very quickly, you make very strong links, because it’s a bit like when you were moving, you know, during, during university years, and you would move to Canada for two months, and like, you suddenly connected so well, very similarly, everyone is outside of their comfort zone, and everyone is ready to connect. So the kids together, the parents together send create, like really, really deep connections. And that’s when I realized the power of the I think in English, you say it takes a village. And that’s really how it felt like it takes a village to you know, raise the kids and raise your kids and bring them different influences the influence from from this other country, but also the influence of other parents. And suddenly, they’re really well surrounded in this adventure. And that’s, that’s quite beautiful. That’s quite beautiful to see. So


Anna Lundberg  

important. When I first left, I remember one of the first ever meetings I went to, it was some career coach, and I never remember what she talked about who she was, what I do remember is that feeling of meeting other people who were in the same kind of corporate roles, who felt the same urge to do something else. And I think that’s, that’s the powerful thing, right? Not feeling like oh my gosh, I’m the only person in the world who feels this way. So I think that’s, that’s really powerful. And I keep seeing you pop up on LinkedIn enthusiastically supporting in the same kind of world of me flexible careers and remote working and so on. How are you finding that? Are you sort of intentionally inserting yourself into these conversations? Are you becoming sort of aspiring to be I suppose a thought leader in this space? How are you seeing your role in terms of your personal brand and your thoughts on on flexible, remote working families and so on?


Elodie Ferchaud  

I think there are two angles to it. First of all, I am discovering the space. And I’m fascinated by by all the development in remote working, I experienced and experiencing it also firsthand, as a working mum, and I find it just so powerful, you know, to be able to go and see my daughter when she has a talent show at 2:30pm like and be there, then having that flexibility to go to events support them, but also like working, you know, really hard for my business. So that flexibility as a working woman is really powerful, and I think will be one of the key elements to help you to hopefully, change of some of the the unfairness there’s still between men and women. So I’m really believing in the power of remote working for for women. And then obviously, you know, with with wellness, a lot of our families are remote working. And I think we’re creating a lot of a lot of new ways of living for families. So we have a role also in sharing this and driving awareness for what is feasible, because I think a lot of families have the dream that and they think they’re a bit crazy. Like when you when we talk to a lot of the wellness families, they’re like, I thought I was completely crazy. I was talking to my friends and they were like, are you nuts? Like you can’t do this? And then suddenly, you help them to realize that no, actually it’s it’s possible the world is changing. And now we’re able to work remotely. To be honest, the education system, the traditional education system is has been designed for another society and we don’t need to work in plants anymore. We don’t like we what we need as Creative Kids, kids that will be very agile, thinking about new ideas. We’ve seen all the development in the in, in the AI world this week, and everyone is talking about all those powerful tools that will come up so what what how do we want to educate our kids for the future? What will they need in terms of skills? And, and I think that’s also a role with boundless to ask the questions and propose some solutions, which hopefully will will help us to raise kids that are more ready for the future. Or at least that’s that’s the idea that by, by being out there open to other cultures, asking questions versus being told what to learn, developing projects together, learning through the United Nation goals, they will be more ready to build a better future. So yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s at least the two angles when it comes to LinkedIn. But I think this future of work and future of, of education is just a fascinating space as well as, as a mum, and as a working mum.


Anna Lundberg  

Because yeah, I agree. Yeah, it’s hard not to get very sort of caught up in I see it happening to many mom friends as well. It’s and there’s a lot of interesting discussions happening now. So it can be quite controversial. But it’s also definitely there’s raised awareness on it. And it’s hard not to feel strongly about it when you’re experiencing it. But as you say, the bigger topic a future of work for men and for women, for everybody, right? It’s a really exciting space. And the education it makes me think of you know, I remember at school, you knew the answer, right? Already, there was a right answer. And I really struggle with that then in life, because there is no right answer in life. And you know, at school, you sort of make the dots literally fit the curve, because you know that x and y are supposed to sort of have this pattern, right? And it wasn’t you didn’t get to sort of experiment or discover things for yourself. So it all makes a lot of sense intellectually. And I think it’s really exciting. And you mentioned there. So sorry, good.


Elodie Ferchaud  

Yeah. No, I love what you’re saying about it’s not any more about having the right answers. I think it’s it’s a it’s about knowing how to ask the right questions. And I think those are skills that we need to teach our kids instead of just knowing how to answer the quiz, like


Anna Lundberg  

not to say that you do things right, but actually knowledge is not so information is not as powerful as it was in the past and connecting the dots asking the question, also things like financial literacy, and all these things, you know, are actually really powerful and not so much, I think part of the standard curriculum. So that’s definitely important. I was just gonna ask, I guess in terms of Yeah, picking up your daughter and taking you to a talent show, whatever it is like that during the day. You’re working full time, but it sounds super flexible. So can you just walk us through sort of in practical terms, what does your work life integration look like for you at the moment?


Elodie Ferchaud  

Yeah, I think what will be interesting as the before and after, when I was in London, I just wasn’t able to pick up my daughters it was 330 Like no one can finish at 230 and then commute to an hour and pick up the girls right so I needed support. Like the job just didn’t enable me to pick up to pick up my daughter’s ever. That’s really sad. Like that’s the moment when you connect right when you when you hear about their day firsthand and their highs and their lows and And that’s those are really, really precious moments. Now what I’m able to do is I’m able to drop them off and pick them up every day. Like that’s, that’s in itself. For me the the biggest thing, I’m also able to again adjust and and be there, if there is a science there if there is a talent show, and then I can go there and show up and be there for them. That makes a really big difference. And I am able to adjust my my work hours much better. So it might be that I love working like nine to 11pm like that’s something that works really well for me. And I think that’s when you get older, you start understanding yourself and your work patterns a little bit better when you have high energy lower in energy. So for me, the nine to 11 is really good time to reflect and think and plan. And so that’s a time that now I can use why because I’ve been able to recharge during the day. So during the day, I will have moments when I work really intensively, especially in the morning, because it’s a very productive time for me. But then you know, around three to six, I’m there for the girls. So I’ll go and pick them up, I’ll just help them if there is any need for homework activities or cooking like hey could never cook before. And then I can work again in the evening, or even during the weekend if need be, but it follows my energy level, it’s not being dictated by working hours. And it also works around the family life. So that’s, that’s amazing. And boundless. Like, as a company is obviously very family centered. So there is a big drive for listening to what the employees need in terms of own balance. So I’m there, I’m very thankful for that.


Anna Lundberg  

Though, it’s a great to see the contrast, I guess, London in particular big city where you’ve got the commute, and you know, and then of course, you’ve got a well paid job, so then you can afford having the help, but then you’re not able to be present, and so on. So it’s really such a trade off, which sounds like you’re not experiencing at all now, as you say a combination of employer who has, you know, family first values, and then your own confidence and choices, and then how you’re living, where you’re living and so on. It makes such a huge difference. But those are intentional things that you’ve designed, you know, thought thought out, it’s doesn’t happen by itself, right? I think it doesn’t happen just organically, when you’re working somewhere, unfortunately, it needs to be the right like company in the first place. It needs to be us setting those boundaries on what’s important to you, as you said at the beginning.


Elodie Ferchaud  

Yeah, definitely. And, and I think it is, we start, we hear I hear more and more stories about families who are able to still have that, that remote working experience. And that enables them to be more present. And that’s something that they’re really, they’re really, really wanting for their families to be able to connect, you hear them often saying like, I want to connect with my kids, I want to build memories together. This commuting time is something that was crazy, I think in in the past few years, and it’s still happening. And now we’re going back at it with some companies like going back to the office. Why, like there is it just so counterintuitive, especially when you have a family and you’re losing like two of the most beautiful hours of the day, like those hours when your kids are super awake, super present, not cranky. And they’re, and that can be a discussion. So I think I’m hoping that the more of us can can have that flexibility and be able to, to connect with the kids. When when, whenever they want. So that’s my hope for for the future. Yeah, and


Anna Lundberg  

I think you said early on, you know, that you’re knowing that you’re in the right place where you should be where you want to be. And I think that applies both in terms of the work that you’re doing. But also, look, I’m with my kids now and I want to be present with that, or I’m working on a really exciting work thing. And I’m knowing that you’re in the place and not having to think always that kind of mom guilt, or I should be working or no I should with the family. That presence of Yeah, guilt free existence, it’s never gonna be 100%. But really knowing that you’re making the right choices for you, for your family and so on. It’s so powerful. And that for me,


Elodie Ferchaud  

this is so true. And I think especially as a as a mom of three daughters, like I really want to set that example as well for them. Showing them that it is possible to you know, have a big passion point and have have your mission as a as an individual as a god and then still being able to be present for them like you can, you can have both it’s it’s not easy every day. It’s tiring. It’s exhausting, but but it’s very rewarding when you can when you can hit a place that that works for you as an individual. So leading by example Well when you’re I think when you’re a mother and for me especially having daughters is really really important.


Anna Lundberg  

I love that I knew this would be a good shot thank you so much. Thank you can we read more about boundless life


Elodie Ferchaud  

so the best way you can check out websites Obama’s third life where you will see everything about us will also as boundless live on Instagram. So that’s where you’ll be able to follow the adventure of, of our families and what they go through when they’re when they’re on destination. And, and then don’t hesitate to connect via LinkedIn with me. So I think there will be all the information


Elodie Ferchaud  

will be there. Absolutely. Excellent. Thanks so much, Anna. Thank you. Bye


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